Friday, 19 January 2018

Chuckles Chat #52 Films and Books

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This week I'm looking at Films and Books. There are Harry Potter spoilers from The Order of the Phoenix. There are NO Game of Thrones spoilers.

There's always that debate isn't there when books are turned into films. When a book we loved is announced to have a film being based on it, the first feeling is joy that we are going to see it on the big screen in all it's glory and we really can't wait to see it. That is followed by rumour and debate over who might be in it and if an actor we don't like is mentioned in connection with our favourite character in the book, we start to get that feeling of dread. There is also genuine fear that they are not going to do justice to the book by turning it into some Hollywood version aimed at a certain demographic and ruining the essence of the book.

Here are a couple of examples of what I mean. Every time there was talk of a YA book being put into production, Kristen Stewart was mentioned and the Twilight fans who never liked her as Bella would all go rabid at the thought of her in another film version of a book they loved. We all have an idea in our head as to what the characters look like and who we would want to play the part and sometimes the actors chosen are just not what we would want. That can be disappointing! 

Sometimes we get the exact actors we want and excitement builds for it. When they were casting Lord of the Rings, a rumour came out that Sean Bean was being considered and my first thought was that he was perfect for Boromir, the flawed hero. Yes he would have played Aragorn equally well but I saw him as Boromir and thankfully so did Peter Jackson. In fact, I thought casting for the trilogy was brilliant. When I read Harry Potter, in my head when I read Snape, I saw Alan Rickman, and Robbie Coltrane as Hagrid so it was great to see them in the film shortly after. I was pleased when they said they were finally filming The Forest of Hands and Teeth with Maisie Williams (Arya Stark, GoT) as Mary. I thought that sounded perfect but that was 2015 and we are headed into 2018 with still no word on this film ever happening. Pretty soon, Maisie may be too old to play Mary and uncertainty will start again. 

I like to read the book first where possible, to see where the author wanted the story to go. I read things like Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter before the films came out so when actors were mentioned I could imagine them in the parts and think 'yeah, that could work'. These were good examples of when casting were done right. Things so often change when the book goes film and sometimes our favourite scenes could be cut out or changed into something bad. As an example I would like to use The Order of the Phoenix. They cut the scenes that showed Umbridge as being truly evil like when she and her team attacked Hagrid and almost killed Minerva. Instead they had her as being slightly nasty which lost the whole essence of the book. They turned Cho into the one who betrayed Harry and handled the failed romance badly. The end sequences with the Department of Mysteries and the Order duelling with Death Eaters felt clumsy and lacked the tension of the book. The emotional death of Sirius failed to impact in the film. I found it a disappointing adaptation but the director did redeem himself with the next three films. The Maze sequence in The Goblet of Fire was equally poor.

As I said I generally prefer to read the books first but it doesn't always happen. I had decided I was going to watch Game of Thrones on dvd before I tackled the books because of the huge cast list and my poor memory! I figured that I would do better if I could imagine the show cast in my head as I read and that has worked out well, especially for the background characters. The difficulty with this, however, is that the books do go off on their own arc and feature people and events never shown in the series. I am not going into spoilers here but there was a big storyline that GRRM really wanted in the series that the TV people insisted on cutting. To be honest, seeing both I prefer the TV version but that is personal taste. It's also weird how much younger the characters are in the books. I imagine the book readers were taken by surprise at some of the deaths in the series too. 

The other thing about a good book being turned into film or TV is that sometimes they don't work out so well. I enjoyed the atmospheric character based book of The Girl with all the Gifts but I was disappointed by how dull the film actually was, other than the performance of Glenn Close. It just didn't work for me. Along came a Spider was a good book but despite the great cast, I felt the film just fell flat. I love The Other Boleyn Girl but was disappointed by both film versions of it. I liked the Twilight series when I first read them years back but I wasn't overly impressed by any of the films. I'd probably find the books too slow for me now as well though, as my book tastes have changed.

On the other hand there are certainly films that were much better than the books with Jaws being a great example. I thought the book was boring with all the focus on Ellen having an affair with Hooper, rather than the shark being the main event. Jaws is one of my favourite ever films. I liked The Killing Fields film better than the book and had the same thoughts on Jurassic Park 2 Lost World. I really didn't like the book and much preferred the film. I wasn't a fan of The Silence of the Lambs book either but I liked the film. Never let me go was ok as a book but I liked the film better. Lolita was a poor book for me but I liked the Jeremy Irons film. I liked Q&A as a book but hated Slumdog Millionaire as a film.

Sometimes they do get it right. I liked the books of The Godfather, Jurassic Park, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, A Song of Ice and Fire, and loved the film and TV adaptations as well. I seem to be in the minority here but I liked The DaVinci Code book and film! I enjoyed the first version if It, which is one of my favourite books and I've still to watch the new version which I'm looking forward to. Sometimes it all goes wrong. For me I didn't like His Dark Materials either as books or film.  

Do you prefer to read the book first or see the film/show first? Which books were better than the adaptations? Which films were better than the books?

18 comments:

  1. I was very shocked at how young the GoT characters are in the books. Those poor children! Fighting wars and getting married and everything. I don’t watch many movies, so I haven’t seen many book-to-movie adaptations. Other than Harry Potter and GoT, the adaptations I’ve seen have been “meh.”

    Aj @ Read All The Things!

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    1. It was a shock wasn't it! Girls had a crap time of it in Tudor times, married and pregnant at 12 or 13. I know the War of the Roses period inspired GRRM so I shouldn't have been surprised. Adaptations can be very hit and miss for sure!

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  2. I pretty much always have to see the movie/show first but the one exception is GoT. I'm debating even starting the books until Martin releases another. I can see my in a retirement home hurting myself and lugging them around to read because I'll probably be that old when he finishes...if he lasts that long.

    I think sometimes casting does drive me crazy. As for Twilight, nope, didn't like Kristen Stewart but then I didn't like Bella in the book so it didn't really matter who played her.

    As always, great discussion.

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    1. I'm very worried about GRRM not finishing the books! I think we'll see Winds of Winter but I have real concerns about the last book coming out if he takes another 6 or 7 years on that! With casting they can't please everyone I guess but in all the things I want to see, it seems to always be actors I'm not a fan of! Gah!

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  3. Confidentially my post scheduled for tomorrow is about the books that will become movies this year! :)

    I was so disappointing with the Girl with all the Gifts movie too. I felt asleep LOL

    I definitely want to read the books first. If I see the movie then I'm just not interested in the book anymore.

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    1. I liked that post! It will be featuring in my Around the Blogs post on Monday. The Girl with all the gifts was so dull! The only MC with any personality was Glenn Close! I'm so slow at watching films that I'll have lots of time to get to the books first!

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  4. I prefer to read the books first. As much as I love LotR (the movies) I'm glad I was able to visualize the characters and places in my head before seeing the visual version. That's just me though. Same with ASoIaF. Or Narnia or many others. But... occasionally I do like the movie better, like with Insurgent. Jurassic Park 2 Lost World is a good movie and I haven't read the book (I read the first one) but I liked it a LOT. I think that scene with the big game hunters chasing the dinosaur herd is amazing.

    Now I did see the Hunger Games movies first but still enjoyed the books. If I had to pick a fave it would be tough- both were good to me. I think reading the books WAS a different experience though, with the movie versions already in my head- Katniss, Finnick, Joanne etc. That can be a problem for me sometimes although it wasn't with THG.

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    1. My visualization skills aren't great! When I was getting LOTR read to me, I was convinced that hobbits had long ears like rabbits! Don't ask me why! Maybe it was the furry feet! The book for the Lost World has little resemblence to the film which I loved! I don't remember much about the book now as I read it a long time ago.

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  5. I used to always try to read the book first...I was a purist. But now I'm just tired. And if the movie is good, like Room was, then I feel like I don't have to read that particular book. Because I've seen the movie. Isn't that sad? :D

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    1. I read more than I watch things these days so I usually get to the books first. I kind of play it by ear...if a film really appeals I might get to it first. It'd be nice to get some films watched this year even if I don't get to the books!

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  6. I have to disagree. My first and only thought when I hear a book I love is being turned into a movie is dread lol. Once I see the actors, it usually ruins the picture I have in my head, and that bothers me. So I don't watch films for books I love, but sometimes I can't help but see the actors when they're all over commercials and online and stuff. But there have been times when I saw a movie first and then it got me interested in a book. That I don't mind. I'll pretty much picture the actors, but at least I didn't have a picture in my head already to get ruined!

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    1. Yeah I knew you didn't like film adaptations. It's a shame...you could be missing out on some good films.

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  7. I agree that usually the book is better, but there are two exceptions I make to that. The first is The Godfather. That movie is easily my favorite of all time, and is also an instance where part II might actually be even better than the first film. The book, which covers both films, was good but not great, and the movie is much, much better. And honestly, everyone trashes The Godfather III because it does not stand up to the first two, but nothing can. If it was a movie on its own, without the other two, people would have liked it a lot more I think. But nothing compares to I and II so III is destined to be loathed.

    Jurassic Park is one of my other fave books and movies. The book was so fantastic and so was the movie. They are equal in my mind because the movie stayed as true to the book as cinematically possible with the constraints placed on it as being an adaptation.

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    1. I don't like gangster/mafia films but I love The Godfather films! I am one of the people who liked the third one as it showed Michael's character development and the new generation coming through. Great series! And I love Jurassic Park, book and film. I was disappointed in Crichton's second book though.

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  8. I do like adaptations which are not 100% literal "translations" of a book into another medium, but which nonetheless stay true to the spirit of it. The BBC is greaaaat at doing that for audiobooks. I've rarely been disappointed in one of those dramatisations, whereas movies... meh.

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    1. I tend to watch the adaptations of books I enjoyed to see what they do with them but they can certainly be hit and miss!

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  9. I usually like to read the book first before watching the movie. That's getting harder to do as they sure are adapting a lot more books to movies now. Or maybe I'm just noticing it more? Great discussion!

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    1. I think they are certainly filming a lot more contemporary and YA books. I just wish they would show the same love to horror and apocalypse books I love!

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